waldo
Hi Everyone,
My 851 S1 Tri-colore has been in my possession for 15 years, but has been ridden only twice. My road bike is a Moto Guzzi.
I originally imported it from Japan in 1995 to New Zealand. It was issued the VIN plate no. 7A8570F1197850308 at the time of importation. Since then I have retired and moved to the Gold Coast, Australia, where it has been dry stored in my lounge, as a Coffee Piece, for the last 12 years.
Unfortunately the time has come to cash up and put it up for sale, money is needed to travel to the UK.
It has 5516 km on the speedo. To fire it up I will have to replace belts, new battery, oil filter, brake fluids, etc. and probably road worthy cert. and registration for Australia.
The Question is: should I go to all this trouble or offer it as 'dry'?
Apart from VIN no. other numbers are
ZDM851S1*850308
E3 plate with 10-0144209
41-0144003
Can anyone make any sense from these numbers??
What and where is the best medium to sell this bike??
I also have a 1960? MV150 Agusta Rapido Sport that is a little pearler, that is for sale.
Regards,
Waldo.
loony888
what a waste! ridden twice in 12 years. so you retired and moved to the coast but you need to sell them to travel to the UK? sounds sus to me, but then you are on the gold coast.........
It pisses me off to see people join the forum in '08 but their first post 18 months later is just to flog something, at least you could read the main page and put it in the right thread for fucks sake!
paul.
oh, the best medium to sell your bikes?
www.bikesales.com.au www.bikepoint.com.au www.tradingpost.com.au but you know about them, don't you?
glenn Twite
Hmmmm
Mate,
Personally I agree with Paul, & once again I am so very weary of any bike which comes out of Japan, just do not trust the guys over there at all 😡
But hey that is me, some one might grab it in a heart beet but it will not be me 😄
888sp4s
Waldo,
Bring it to the UK when you come, if it is as you say, there will be plenty of people interested buying it!
Mr.R
888sp4s wroteWaldo,
Bring it to the UK when you come, if it is as you say, there will be plenty of people interested buying it!
Maybe even one of them will actually use it? 😏
When I 1st read Pauls reply I thought it a bit strong, but have to agree with the sentiment, these bikes were designed/built to be used after all.
It's not the 1st time someones joined the forum or their 1st post has been trying to sell something...
IMO that's not so bad really as this forum is for 851/888 enthusiasts, where better to give a true enthusiast the 1st chance before floating the item for sale on e-bay etc and sell it to someone who just wants to invest his/her cash to make a few more bob in the future.
Hopefully a real enthusiast will buy it and use as it was intended to be used.
TBH I've only ever seen one Tricolore at a rally/show or event that it had been ridden to, it was the Guzzi clubs V Twin rally at Shaftsbury (the biggest event for V Twins in Europe) a few years ago now, it was covered with rust/grime and had obviously had a hard life...
But it was there! 😎
It really attracted a crowd that looked at every detail, a couple of years later at the same event I rode in on my 851/916, rally goers asked me if it was as fast as it looked?
Of course I was humble in my replies, it was probably the fastest bike there though, even though the late Rob Barksfield had his Bimota TL1000 engined bike there.
Rob's tuned 888/ST4S was a lot quicker.
I doubt that you'd believe the grief that I've been given over the years by so called enthusiasts, because I actually use my Ducati's all year round.
Quite a few times over the last 30+ years they've been my only source of transport...
Steve R
griff851
That Motor cycle trader mag is a pretty good gig for buying and selling bikes. Pity your selling it now. If you'd been 2 months earlier I could have sold it for you.
Go see or ring up Miles at Ducati at Nerang. He may sell it on consignment for you. Doesn't hurt to ask.
Regardless of what other guys say. Its definitely a clean unit. It won't matter all that much whether you service it or not. I found that guys buying second hand bikes like to get them serviced so they are starting from a known point.
Griff
tbunnell@mac.com
too bad...it was meant to be ridden. Oh well wish I could have it here in California
waldo
Coffee pieces reply
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all comments, both positive and negative. I can see why some may think it's 'sus' and why I would have only ridden the 851 twice in 12 years.
As I mentioned my road bike is a Moto Guzzi (shock, horror). I am in my sixties and ride every day, having riden bikes since I was 14. The Guzzi is shaft drive, twin seat, easy maintenance, cost effective, reliable and doesn't have 16 inch wheels! The 851 is none of these. My days of head down, bum up riding are long gone and as you will gather I'm not a poser/tosser with red leathers and a Fogarty helmet on a sunny Sunday ride. I wear an open face helmet and a denim jacket. The roads here are 100 km max. but mostly 60k's. My license is too important to lose, not too mention the speeding fines so I do all my riding to suit, each too their own.
When I bought the 851 it was in lieu of earnings, not by choice, but then in my forties, it seemed like a good idea. I tried to sell it in New Zealand (1995) but couldn't get an offer over $8,000. Rubbish when the bike sold new for Aus$24,000. So I hung on, not desperately needing the cash, after all it does look pretty with it's red, white and green, in the loungeroom.
I put it on display at Gold Coast Ducati, Miles had a buyer for it, but it fell thru because it couldn't be road registered at the time, for some reason?
Customs wanted me too export it out of Oz then back in again, and pay duty and salestax twice. Sounds like red tape gone mad, so back in the loungeroom it went.
But now I need to sell it, I want to see the Isle of Mann TT, also some Moto GP's in 2011. My Super has gone down the gurgler with the GFC and the remainder is all locked up.
Taking it too the UK is an option, but as I am not a UK resident, I understand I would have to export it back out again. The UK would be a better market, especially for the MV150 where people appreciate smaller capacity bikes.
Personally I don't agree with GT in not trusting the Japanese, I don't trust anyone. But in saying that the Japanese are propably the most honest, in all the business dealings I have ever had with them, "but hey that is me"
I joined the Forum in 2008 when I heard about it, but as a one finger keyboard plonker, I don't generally contribute, my wife is typing this.
The 851 needs to go to a new home and I need a fair price.
Regards,
Waldo
marvin
I have wondered about the 16" wheel dilemma! I just inherited a pair of 750 Paso's and have found that the 160-60-16 rear tire is unobtainable. There seems to be no acceptable substitute. I have heard that one Paso owner has used a Shinko (yuck) wider tire and ground the edge of the tire down with an angle grinder for chain clearance which sounds a little dubious to me! A taller tire renders the center stand useless.
loony888
so if you don't know why miles couldn't get it registered, does that mean you can't get it registered? cause that will seriously effect how much the bike is worth, at least here in oz.
paul.
sb955i
Coffee Piece's
Sounds like you really need to sort out the registration issue mate, or you'll just be banging your head against the wall. If you can't get that sorted, then the bike will most likely only be useful to someone as a museum piece, or a track bike.. and i can't see someone spoiling a prestine Tri for trackdays.
So best to do the homework.. that will get it sold, and get you top dollar 😉
waldo
Hi everyone,
I spent all day trying to sort out the registration issue. Been to QLD Transport, Importer, Compliances and in contact with DOTARS, Canberra. I think I'll have to file it in the "too hard" basket.
Apparently when I imigrated from NZ to Australia in '99 I was given a vehicle import approval for it, but as it was less than 15 years old at that time they allowed it in because I was using it only on display. Since then the legislation has changed, in 2001, to "any pre 1989", (of which it is) motorcycles can be imported without any problems. So I need to export it and re-import it, get it complianced, registered to put it up for sale. I think it will be simpler just to export it to UK/Europe or somewhere similar, at a later stage. So back into the loungeroom it goes. In the meantime I will sell my beloved VW Kombi instead.
Thanks for all your input. Time for a Coffee.......
Waldo
Claire4dukes
Aussie bureaucracy; happy to clip the ticket at any opportunity..
griff851
Claire4dukes wroteAussie bureaucracy; happy to clip the ticket at any opportunity..
Have to pay for a defense force to protect our little friends on the perimeter Islands some how.😏 😁
glenn Twite
Hmmm
Mate,
Seems to be a little dodgy to me, I have invested many countless hours with the guys in Canberra & other individuals who have been there and done that.
Your 851 if exported and imported does not require an Australian compliance plate as it full fills the requirements pre Jan 1 of 1989, there fore if you export and return you will pay 10% GST on the said purchase price what ever that might be ( Make it up so you do not pay a huge wad of cash to the Customs )
If some one has advised you that it requires an Australian compliance plate well they are on drugs 😁
I have just import a F1 from out side of Aust and as it was a holds a built date pre 1989 it’s an easy deal no stress at all, but dealing with post 1 Jan 1989 is another matter in which you must comply and get an compliance plate fitted.
I am only assuming that your built date was pre 1989.
This might all be totally useless information Waldo but you never know correct 😄
griff851
Glenn as I see it, he imported it as a coffee table piece, so it will have no compliance plate. You can't register it for standard road use without a compliance plate.
Griff
glenn Twite
Griff,
I guess I will find out if all of my in depth enquires have been miss leading or truthful, at this point in time and from what I have read & have been informed by the guys in the know pre 89 built date only requires a full road worthy bound by the state of intended registration.
Hence the reason why post 89 is killing us down under as we cannot get the SP & SPS in without a major cardiac arrest as I have been there and done that also.
If you happen to ever get involved with the Department of Infrastructure Transport Canberra ( Actually Rather Helpful Guys ) & then the lads at RAWS Registered Automotive Workshop Scheme it stipulates to a T what is required for importation prior to even getting all hot and excited about buying & shipping a motorcycle into our shores.
Now I have made some mistakes in my life Griff & I am not the worlds greatest speller but I have invested some hard earned $$ into purchasing & flying my Santamonica to Aussy, so I truly believe that I have made the correct decisions way in advance before dropping a wad of cash on this bike.
As we say mate time will tell but I have all of the paper work to support its origin & clearance via our Customs guys here in Melb 😁
waldo
Hi Everyone,
This is the reply from Canberra. Under the current pre 1989 scheme the vehicle needs a Import Approval whilst the vehicle is OUT of the country. Once approved it can be Imported under the pre 89 scheme without to many problems. The trouble is the bike is already IN the country.
Waldo.
griff851
I've been there as well while looking at an SP5 a while back. I was talking to Peter i think from memory. I can bring it in, but only for the race track or special historical events. Something like its allowed 3-5 times a year on the road and it gets a special number plate, but no compliance plate.
Unless you are bringing in container loads of them as a business, then you can get compliance plates, as with the shits loads of death trap gray import Monsters that are floating about now.
You can get compliance plates for pre 89 bikes no problem. You just need proof of ownership import papers etc. There is an engineer bloke in Springwood that issues them for bikes here in Qld. I'm sure there are a couple in Vic
It boils down to when you get it registered, the form the inspector has, has a VIN section. As the VIN is on the compliance plate. If the plate isn't on, the Dept of Transport inspector can't fill in the box, He doesn't know what to do next as he has always filled in that box, so his head spins wildly around, then explodes.
Just last year I bloke I know got a letter from the DOT wanting him to confirm his frame number with eng no and Vin No (on the compliance plate) on his F1. It seems the records dept was a bit shaky back in the 70's & 80's, and it turns out lots of owners of old bikes got the same letters. So they are still trying to sort out the mess.
Griff
griff851
waldo wroteHi Everyone,
This is the reply from Canberra. Under the current pre 1989 scheme the vehicle needs a Import Approval whilst the vehicle is OUT of the country. Once approved it can be Imported under the pre 89 scheme without to many problems. The trouble is the bike is already IN the country.
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Ah you see now it gets tricky, but not impossible. I'll talk to my wife and see if her friends that own an import/export business at Eagle Farm (For the international crowd. Yes its a suburb where the Airport is funnily enough), can help. It's got the sound of one of those things that reasonable people in the trade no how to deal with.
Griff
