888 Sps #002

jarno888sps

Thanks for the warm welcome guys! And i see you have good taste too Glenn... Red wine!!!

I'll send the ladies at Ducati an email to be sure.
Hopefully my dream doesn't become a nightmare...

Happy new year.

glenn Twite

Mate,

No stress as this is the only way you will know for sure 100%.

Some times getting an answer can be a little slow !! Days & on the rare occasion's months, so as I said best of luck.

jarno888sps

888sps

Guys, i just had the scare of my life!!!

I send the nice ladies at Ducati an email to check if my frame and engine number belong together.

I got an email back really quick confirming that my bike is registered... as an 1993 strada...!!! 😯

I think this is impossible cause my frame number is ZDM888S*0012..*
In my knowledge that is of an SP type!

1993 strada's have the numbers ZDM888S*100.....*

Or am i wrong??? Surely hope not! Think she has mistaken the * for an 1

Can anyone confirm this or else pull the trigger of the gun i'll put to my head...😁

Phil911

For European Strada 93 and 94 :
ZDM888S1*00xxxx* with engines Nbr ZDM888W4B*00xxxx*

SP and Racing :
ZDM888S*00xxxx* with Engines Nbr ZDM888W4*00xxxx*

Phil911

jarno888sps

Thanks Phil, you made my day!

😁

Engine is ZDM888W4*0013..* so that is correct too!!!

merci

Jarno

mrc.engr

jarno888sps wroteSorry, i meant the guy from stretta chickened out... he never expected someone would actually pay 40 or 50k for the bike. I think the bike is the real deal, but if he doesn't want to sell it he should refund every penny Nocaster paid him! I'm pretty sure my bike is ok because the previous owner bought it from a Ducati dealer who owned the bike for a couple of years. But of course i want to be sure... So the best thing to do is send an email straight to Ducati? Thanks!

I firmly believe that #002 is NOT a genuine SPS but a SP4 and the seller (Marc of Stretta) has a long police history of fraud. I believe he wanted claim he had a SPS......but couldn't sell it as such because he probably would go to jail when the bike was found to be a SP4.

When he got his $50k asking price, he realized he didn't want to go to jail over a motorcycle......so he refunded "MOST" of the $50k money, but the idiot felt he was entitled to over 5000 euro as compensation for his efforts. The fool.......all this did was bring in the police and lawyers.

So, the last I heard is that Marc is in deep poo with police and he should be refunding the remaining 5k+ euro to Norcaster.

Btw..... there is no such Ducati designation as SP4S. i thought there was..... but Livio Lodi, curator of the Ducati Factory Museum corrected me and the proper designation is SPS (Sport Production Special).

mrc.engr

Ducati 888 SPS Frame & Yoke Plaque Information from Ducati Museum Curator Livio Lodi

I'm starting a new thread on this topic because I want it easily found by all and standing alone so it can be referred to easily and not burried in another thread.

I'll post the new thread shortly.

My best....... Mike

jarno888sps

mrc.engr wroteI firmly believe that #002 is NOT a genuine SPS but a SP4 and the seller (Marc of Stretta) has a long police history of fraud. I believe he wanted claim he had a SPS......but couldn't sell it as such because he probably would go to jail when the bike was found to be a SP4. When he got his $50k asking price, he realized he didn't want to go to jail over a motorcycle......so he refunded "MOST" of the $50k money, but the idiot felt he was entitled to over 5000 euro as compensation for his efforts. The fool.......all this did was bring in the police and lawyers. So, the last I heard is that Marc is in deep poo with police and he should be refunding the remaining 5k+ euro to Norcaster. Btw..... there is no such Ducati designation as SP4S. i thought there was..... but Livio Lodi, curator of the Ducati Factory Museum corrected me and the proper designation is SPS (Sport Production Special).

But why does my tag on the bike say SP4 080 and not SPS 080...
I also call it SPS, i first heard of SP4S when i saw the bike i bought on the internet a couple of months ago. At first i didn't know what the seller meant but as soon as i saw the picture of the tag i had to buy her...

About #002, i visited Marcs store 1 time a couple of years ago. At that time he had an SP4 for sale for about 18.000 euro's, the SPS wasn't for sale he said because bike #001 had crashed in Germany so #002 was now the most special Special... I do think it's the real deal because he had all the papers of the bike. You can say a lot of things about my little country but forgering frame numbers and official papers is really really difficult here so the only thing he could have done is put another tag on it... But that is an opinion and you know what they say about them... They are like assholes... everybody's got one! 😁

jarno888sps

mrc.engr wroteI'm starting a new thread on this topic because I want it easily found by all and standing alone so it can be referred to easily and not burried in another thread. I'll post the new thread shortly. My best....... Mike

Very good idea Mike!

All the best,
Jarno

tricolore

I only asked yesterday for Ducati to check the frame number on a 1993 888 SP5 and they came back with ZDM888S1*00....*

I'll ask them to check again today.....Yes they have just confirmed the above is the correct frame number against the engine number ZDM888W4*......*

Slightly different to Jarno but again factory records appear different to actual frame numbers ?

jarno888sps

tricolore wroteI only asked yesterday for Ducati to check the frame number on a 1993 888 SP5 and they came back with ZDM888S1*00....* I'll ask them to check again today.....Yes they have just confirmed the above is the correct frame number against the engine number ZDM888W4*......* Slightly different to Jarno but again factory records appear different to actual frame numbers ?

I've read somewhere on the internet that 1993 and 1994 SP5 and Strada frames are identical so maybe those numbers are the same...
The frames before 1993 where different because of the airbox so they have different numbers.

Phil911

jarno888sps wroteI've read somewhere on the internet that 1993 and 1994 SP5 and Strada frames are identical so maybe those numbers are the same... The frames before 1993 where different because of the airbox so they have different numbers.

---> SP.5 means 1993, only !!!
---> Strada chassis from 93 and 94 are 100% identical with SP.5 chassis !!
Except the figure "1" after "S" regarding Strada type, any other difference !!!

---> Chassis numbers from 92 (851 with white frame) are ZDM851S3*00xxxx*
Even if they look like similar with 888 chassis (externally), the frame and the chassis references are different ...

These explanations concern European frames only !!

Phil911

mrc.engr

jarno888sps wroteBut why does my tag on the bike say SP4 080 and not SPS 080...

Easy........we're dealing with Italians and they make their own (non) rules. They do what the want, when they want and how they want.😱

Cheers.

scott 888

mrc.engr wroteI'm starting a new thread on this topic because I want it easily found by all and standing alone so it can be referred to easily and not burried in another thread. I'll post the new thread shortly. My best....... Mike

Hi Mike

Iam up for that a register of known plaque and frame numbers for the SPS from the factory, do you know Mike if the records also state the country of sale?.
Do any other SPS owners on this forum have any other views?.

All the best

Scott

mrc.engr

scott 888 wroteHi Mike I am up for that a register of known plaque and frame numbers for the SPS from the factory, do you know Mike if the records also state the country of sale?. Do any other SPS owners on this forum have any other views?. All the best Scott

Sorry...... but I must remove the frame numbers so they don't get into the wrong hands. For those of you that copied the frame numbers...... please......please keep these numbers to yourself.

If someone needs to know if his SPS is genuine or a prospective buyer needs to know if the SPS is looking at is real, just have them send you the frame # and compare it to your list for validation.

Please please do this for the rest of us with SPS machines so that fake frames cannot be stamped or altered and sold as genuine SPS.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

If anyone needs SPS validation, I have the frame #'s and will assist all I can. Email me at mrc.engr@verizon.net or call me in Maryland USA at (301) 654-3751 east coast (new York) USA time zone

My best..........Mike

mrc.engr

Ben Bostrom wroteI just posted the Ducati 888 SPS No.15 on the Classifieds. The previous owner asked at the Factory if it was a real SPS, by sending them the Frame and Engine Numbers. They also couldn´t confirm, because the Numbers didn´t match in their books. If anyone is interested in those No.15 Numbers, send me a PM. P.S. I´m very - very sorry to hear about that SPS No.002 Story.... We really could do without such Guys!😡

Frame numbers please. Send to mrc.engr@verizon.net

Thanks........Mike

mrc.engr

scott 888 wroteHi Mike Iam up for that a register of known plaque and frame numbers for the SPS from the factory, do you know Mike if the records also state the country of sale?. Do any other SPS owners on this forum have any other views?. All the best Scott

Sorry..... I do not have country designations for SPS machines, but do understand they were designed and inteneded for the Italian Superbike Series and not designed with any EPA, DOT or emissions in mind.

And while I didn't pose this specific question to Livio Lodi, Ducati's Museum Curator, I do believe he gave me what little SPS production information there was in Ducati records and this didn't come in his email to me.

My best...... Mike

Ben Bostrom

Hello Mike,

I send you the E-mail you asked for.

Regards,
Martin

Dcphoto202

Bob Smith experience

New to this thread. My Bob Smith experience was with a rusty MHR Mille tank. After close to a thousand dollars of labor to clean it and coat it, it still has rust, and the coating is peeling. I was naïve, and worse, was convinced that fixing it would be better and cheaper than a new/used tank. At the time, I could have had one for about $500. Thanks for the info on these other guys on your list as I was considering purchasing something from one of them. I will seriously reconsider now.

mrc.engr wrote

mrc.engr

Dcphoto202 wroteNew to this thread. My Bob Smith experience was with a rusty MHR Mille tank. After close to a thousand dollars of labor to clean it and coat it, it still has rust, and the coating is peeling. I was naïve, and worse, was convinced that fixing it would be better and cheaper than a new/used tank. At the time, I could have had one for about $500. Thanks for the info on these other guys on your list as I was considering purchasing something from one of them. I will seriously reconsider now.

Hi DCPhoto,

Sorry to hear of your Bob Smith experience. Hope you managed to have your MHR gas tank properly cleaned and coated by now. Smith is still MIA with the FBI still looking for him.

My best........ Mike Cecchini in Bethesda, Maryland

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