brad black
my 89 frame has the euro style ZDM851Sxxxxxx vin, which it shouldn't have for australia, it should have a plate welded over that. but in front of that number it has DGM526410M. does everyone else's frames have the same DGM number, or is it some sort of sequence thing too?
dudlington
The DGM526410M series of letters and numbers under the frame number is an homologation thing. Vehicles need to be homologated to be sold and used on the public roads. This is just a means to easily see the vehicle complies. If you have access to certain information you would be able to see what those differences were , but this is more likely kept at the factory or certain government departments. I doubt event that any dealers would know what it all means.
Your frame could have easily been sent from Europe and landed in Australia. You can have that frame made into a complete motorcycle and displayed anywhere you want and even used in certain places (Track or parade events , closed races)..............but to get that frame with an Australian number plate on it so that you can use it all over Australia on public roads is another thing. I am not saying it cannot be done but it requires something like a single vehicle type approval procedure. This applies to most countries in the world ..........but beware it is getting easier to move things around but harder to get things registered in other countries.
I hope this answers your question ?.
brad black
thanks for the info. i wasn't sure what it was about.
it's a genuine au delivery bike continuously registered in victoria from 1989 to 2005, when i parked it. i have no idea why it never got a compliance plate and the au style vin plate spot welded to the steering. the people who were the victorian importers didn't have any records by the time i asked, so i don't know how it happened. when i bought it i asked the local roads authority and the person asked me how much trouble i wanted to cause for myself.
it's a bit of an issue nowadays as they have to take photos of the vin when doing a roadworthy certificate, which i need to get the club permit (cheaper rego style thing). when i bought it i could sign roadworthies and there were no photos, so it was no big issue.
Davo
Frame number stamping
Hi Guys my 1989 851 S3 single seat bike also has this DGM526410M stamped into the frame next to the 17 digit VIN number that is stamped on a plate that is welded at the head stem.
dudlington
Davo and Brad
So I could just about imagine that there is some twisted logic somewhere for welding a plate over a factory stamped number so that some government body could see what was imported into Aus (?) but I can,t think of any reason to get rid of the homologation coding.............so that is probably the reason why it is still there. This actually gives the permission for the vehicle to be used in certain places. Providing that has not be tampered with , then what does it matter that someone forgot/or did not bother to weld the plate over the factory chassis number. It only ever mattered when the vehicle was new so that the factory could sell the bikes in certain markets. 30 years on the Homologation code is still valid but I doubt the vehicle is still standard..............so I wonder where authorities are going with this ?.
Here are the DGM codes on my European bikes , which should be a worldwide thing (Not 100% certain but I,m fairly sure)
851S3......................DGM526410M
888S1......................DGM534440M
888S....................... DGM528390M
brad black
australia introduced the 17 digit vin in the late 80's, and so the euro vin didn't work here and ducati obviously weren't interested in stamping au specific bikes so they had to have a plate welded over the euro vin with the au style vin on it when they got here. the last 6 digits are the same, it's the prefix that is different.
au bikes also have a compliance plate riveted to the frame, with the model, vin, build date (month/year) and approval number (model and capacity specific). so when you go for a road worthy certificate (change of ownership or yearly in some states) they look at the vin and compliance plate and make sure they match, etc.
the homologation number on the frame is irrelevant here.
dudlington
So the complience plate makes the Homologation code the rest of the world(?) has as irrelevant. So if your bike has the complience plate you should be o.k. as that is proof it was imported................or (?) I guess a real jobs worth in Aus could cause problems if there was no welded AU chassis plate over the factory number but a riveted complience plate ???. Even in the car world there does not seem to be one set of rules for designing , testing and producing. I guess each country makes it own rules for its own reasons. Good luck with you both at your yearly inspections , hopefully you never get a jobsworth as an inspector.
brad black
we don't have yearly inspections in my state, and the rwc done recently was done by someone sympathetic and using the numbers from the previous rego papers, as it was registered for 16 years. those numbers don't match the obvious frame number. my bike doesn't have a compliance plate either. no idea how it got registered initially.
900SL
Hi Brad...Just trowling through some old threads and got me thinking..
Any ideas on what the fifth letter 'J' would mean on an Ozzie vin plate attached to a 888' ..
ZDM1JB***********
Stay safe....
henk
Character 5: Motorcycle Model
D = (example: 1987 Paso 748)
G = (example: 1987 750 F1 Laguna Seca)
H = homologation model
K = (example: 1990 750 Sport)
L = supersport
M = (example: 1992 Paso 9071e)
N = (example: 1993 750SS)
P = (example: 1995 E900 Elefant)
S = hypersport/superbike
R = monster,
T = sport touring
U = 9X9 series
V = Multistrada
W = GT1000
brad black
it's a sequence for a manufacturer in terms of series compliance approval date sort of afaict. 906 is d, 851 e, 1990 900ss f, 907 g, 900ss h, 888cc bikes (inc 851sp3) j, doesn't appear to be a k, 600ss/750ss/all sie l, no m, monster n, 748/916 p.
