racerx
I am still looking for an early 851 Kit Tank, seems none of the earlier suggestions actually panned out. This would be the alloy tank with the strap clip on the front, fittings for the large fuel pump, internal breather tube and originally red/white for the Tricolour.
Reasonably repairable damage would be fine.
Thanks!
racerx
Got one, Thanks!!!
What a great resource this forum is. Was able to find just what I needed on the other side of the world. Thanks GT!
wgsvintage
Good for you! Do you have the proper front hold down strap? If so, could you post a picture of the whole thing showing both ends? I've never been able find one (picture or strap).
Thanks, Bill
racerx
Tank Strap
I was about to post the same request, my strap failed the first year when we raised the the front of the tanks to get more air in. From memory (Haha!) and looking closely at the pictures of the NOS 851 Kit that was for sale on eBay a while back I have a real good idea of what it looks like.....very similar* to the strap on my F1A. I am in the process of doing a CAD drawing and looking for someone who could make a run of them.
*Longer and the frame side clip wider to allow the strap to be looped around the frame.
scott 888
Strap
There you go, and sorry not for sale.
Scott
wgsvintage
Hi Scott,
Thanks for your strap photos, but I have to question the frame end of your strap. My frame, which as best I can figure, is an unnumbered replacement, and in all likelihood is a '88 Strada frame. On the underside of the top frame tube that goes left to right (first one behind the steering head tube), are two finger-like hooks (see photo, r/h one is bent a little) that look perfect for holding a strap that has a pin to fit into those two hooks, similar to a bevel or 750 F1 battery strap. Both 1988 Tricolor parts manual sketches for the fuel tank parts show a strap (p/n 75910021A, #5 in photo) with a pin in one end. Over the years I have acquired three straps, thinking they might be the turned into a Tricolor tank strap, but was never sure that the length would be correct. I have yet to properly mount up a tank on the frame. I had two straps that were the same, one came in the Cagiva envelope numbered 75910031A. That one I modified by removing a loop and installed a cross pin, hoping the length would be correct. What does yours attach to at the frame end?
Bill
scott 888
Hi Bill
Happy New Year, just as mentioned before looped around the left to right frame runner, thanks.
Scott
wgsvintage
No offense Scott, but now I'm really puzzled.
Bill
racerx
Scott's pictures are indeed how the tank mounts on my 851 Kit. The strap wraps around the frame tube, there are no hooks. The strap he is showing however looks too short, somewhat over stretched...and exactly like my F1A strap. I remember the 851 strap looking very similar but slightly longer with a rectangle shaped buckle at the frame end.
This can be seen if one looks closely at these pictures I borrowed form the eBay listing of that NOS 851 Kit that was for sale recently.
I recently acquired some battery straps intended for a Royal Enfield that fit adequately although they are rather plain looking and not what I'd prefer (other than they do hold the tank on!) They are 14.5 cm between where the buckles go in the rubber. They appear slightly shorter than the one on the NOS Kit bike.
scott 888
wgsvintage wroteNo offense Scott, but now I'm really puzzled.
Bill
Life is a puzzle Bill, I will contact a friend of mine who might well be able to shine some more light on the subject.
Scott
racerx
Looking at my parts manual it shows the pin-type mount as well. However, that manual became available well after we were already racing the bike. Even the publish date (4-88) falls after my bike was in hand. I do remember that the first few bikes were kind if scrabbled together and came with visibly different parts, I would suspect that they were grabbing what they could as they awaited production parts; an F1 strap here, a different strap there then "maybe we should get the welder to add some tabs"! Ha!
At the March 1988 Daytona race Feracci's, Leoni/Adamo's and another (???....memory!) bike arrived from the factory after practice had started each in two separate crates apparently having never before been assembled! Mine arrived a couple weeks later but mostly assembled.
wgsvintage
Here's the tab on my tank, which is different than Scott's. Those three bikes arrived un-assembled and not just broken down a little as is typical for shipping? I guess I'd have to infer from that then that they probably weren't from the batch of Fall 1987 pre-production bikes, but a desperate attempt by the factory to make the '88 Daytona grid with production items?
Bill
racerx
That is also what the strap clip looks like on my original tank. The later one's had a more rounded profile and cleaner welds.
Tank strap in the picture is the Royal Enfield one.
Yes, it appeared the shipment was pretty desperate and last moment! Would make sense they might grab pre-production parts. Or maybe they were awaiting homologation before shipping the pre-production bikes? All conjecture unless someone here has some better information. (?)
lochnagar
1988-89 851 Tricolore tank straps - 3 off
Dear All,
3 different straps are used for the Tricolore Strada, the Tricolore Kit and Lucchi. Rep., the tank semi-triangular hook end being the same for all three, it's the frame attachment that differs.
Strada :- Straight pin frame end which locates in the two hooks welded to the top cross tube. Tank hook is a neat round weld.
Kit :- Rectangular end, 38mm x 20mm, loops round the top tube and goes through itself. Tank hook is a rectangular weld where the weld pools are seen, like WGSVintage's photo.
Lucchi. Rep :- Semi-rectangular but slightly wider than the tank end, loops round the top tube as above. Tank hook neat round weld as for the Strada.
Length wise the Kit and Lucchi. are the same with the Strada being obviously shorter as it disna loop through.
As the Kit is new and unregistered that will be the correct strap for the bike, that for the Lucchi. would also be the original as I bought it from Richard Avent, late of Moto Vecchia, and he used it twice only.
Incidentally the Kit was originally delivered to Ghost Motorcycles of new York but when they folded I bought it from an intermediary.
Hope that helps Lads.
lochnagar
Tricolore 851 & Lucchi. Rep. tank straps, 3 off.
Dear All,
3 different straps are used for the Tricolore Strada, the Tricolore Kit and Lucchi. Rep., the tank semi-triangular hook end being the same for all three, it's the frame attachment that differs.
Strada :- Straight pin frame end which locates in the two hooks welded to the top cross tube. Tank hook is a neat round weld.
Kit :- Rectangular end, 38mm x 20mm, loops round the top tube and goes through itself. Tank hook is a rectangular weld where the weld pools are seen, like WGSVintage's photo.
Lucchi. Rep :- Semi-rectangular but slightly wider than the tank end, loops round the top tube as above. Tank hook neat round weld as for the Strada.
Length wise the Kit and Lucchi. are the same with the Strada being obviously shorter as it disna loop through.
As the Kit is new and unregistered that will be the correct strap for the bike, that for the Lucchi. would also be the original as I bought it from Richard Avent, late of Moto Vecchia, and he used it twice only.
Hope that helps Lads.
Last edited by lochnagar; Today at 11:03 AM. Reason: Spelling correction.
wgsvintage
That's great information, and deserves being posted twice. Thank you lochnagar. So I can stop searching for a strap to fit my Kit tank / Strada frame combination. I'll try altering my short strap with a pin like I did with one of the two longer ones shown in the photo, which might work, and pass along the other long one to Mr. Racerx.
Bill
Edit: Guess I could still search for a Strada strap.
Mr.R
In the past I've used Mercedes bus tool kit straps*, to cut down and use as battery straps for my bikes.
They work a treat and last a long time.
*They're exactly the same section as the OEM Ducati Bevel twin items.
Try thinking (and looking) outside of the box chaps...
Steve R
lochnagar
Battery straps ? Use a car tube.
Sorry for the double insert but I didna realise the first sending was successful.
As for battery and tank tie down straps a punctured car tube is a rich source of bands for such jobs, also makes an ideal mudguard to compliment the rear mudguard (hugger) of a 916, glue - pop rivet to the front so it drops down at the swinging arm pivot to protect the rear damper bottom ball joint.
racerx
Thank you lochnagar, agreed on the double post....worth the good info! Used O-rings and cut up HD bike tubes for most of these years.....just would really like it to look right with all the other great parts I've been lucky to find recently!
racerx
Photos: Tank strap for new tank, thank you Bill!
