haga40 For sale, Fim hand-held test terminal. Specifically designed for use with Ducati 851/888 superbikes. (and other Weber/Marelli equipped motorcycles) Make me a offer.......! Thanks
MarkT Back when I started you did not have much choice on what chips you could use when you modified your bike even with simple changes like an open airbox and better exhausts- let alone changing cams or valve sizes. My first 851- which had been raced with SP1 cams and an 888 P/C kit came with a pile of chip for the P7- and all of them were way way too rich. Ferracci would offer chips- but most were just percentage changes across the entire fuel map without touching the ignition map. FIM chips, which Duane offered in different configurations, were derived by running actual bikes with modifications like open airboxes and/or bigger exhausts. They were basically semi-custom maps. You could modify the fuel and ignition maps on his chips using his HandHeld box and later his laptop software. The early FIM chips were direct plug-ins and the later FIM chips had a scrambler board attached under each chip. That is how you will be able to tell the difference if you come across ones you want to try out. In the late '90's I knew of five shops in the US that sold FIM chips and owned the Handheld---three had dynos and two would make the changes on the fly while riding the bike on the street. Obviously using a dyno with the Handheld was the best way to go-even if the O2 sensor was at the end of a long tube that was pushed down the exhaust can into the header rather than using bungs you could screw the sensors into close to the heads. Bruce and Doug were the go-to dyno guys in the US when modifying FIM chips on a dyno Our fellow member Brad was one of the masters with FIM chip tuning outside of the US. Brad can give you more insight on FIM chips and modifying them. I had tmy bikes remapped many times in the late '90's by Bruce. I always wanted to haul my bike up to Dougs in Minn., but I never got it together to make that happen. I would send him dyno O2 data and he would burn me chips- but this is not the same as letting the master do his thing. Doug is still a well-respected dyno master. I can attest that it is best to use the Handheld with a dyno. I have an FIM handheld. which was well past its prime with dying batteries. When I had finished building my Corse (a 955 motor with SPS cams) for the street about eight years back, I tried to use it to modify a 955 FIM chip without a dyno. I would first collect O2 data (welded bungs in an older GaCaMo spaghetti system) with a data logger I borrowed from Marvin and would hold different throttle positions and rpms while going down the road. I pulled the TPS output from the ECU. I would check the O2 data to see where I was rich or lean and then try to make the modifications using the Handheld strapped to my tank. Every time I set up the matrix that I wanted to modify, the dying batteries would blink off the HH or the HH itself would decide I did not set it up correctly and not make the fuel changes I punched in. I replaced the batteries which you need to solder in and still had issues but no joy. In the end, I figured out that my handheld was not operating correctly which made a simple process much harder than it should have been. But it was fun and frustrating learning all about using the HandHeld. I know that I drove Brad and Griff crazy with questions about setting up the HandHeld until I figured out that it was not me but the Handheld that was the problem. This is rare because most of the time- I am the problem. Today, there are much easier ways to log fuel data, create new maps, and burn new proms if you want to retain your P7 or P8. Many threads on this in this forum With regards to using an FIM HandHeld, use one that you know works correctly, find a good FIM chip, and have access to a dyno. Heck- I am tempted to buy Haga's Handheld just to see how a functional Handheld actually modifies the FIM chip I have in my street Corse.
brad black mine died years ago, which was an older grey one. really don't need it anymore, and the dyno guy i use still has a yellow one that worked the last time i needed it. hmmmmmmmm.
outtacontrolla I still use mine ! Did a million dyno runs and chips with it back in the day ! Nowadays , pop a chip in the ecu and plug in and can read all the parameters for diagnosis etc . Good on p7 and p8 I find . Cheers Steve .
haga40 outtacontrolla wrotePs , those chips are ducati , not Fim adjustable ones .Yes Steve, we know. Its only the handterminal, there's no communication-chip with it. Thanks!
